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Yellow-headed blackbird, comparing raw to digital zoom jpg

Post by LindaShorey » Thu May 11, 2017 6:33 pm

Tom and Chuck asked about quality of the 2x digital zoom in the Olympus OMD EM10 Mark II compare to edited, cropped raw shots. What this thread mostly points out is my lack of expertise with pp :) With larger subjects, such as an eagle I photo'd yesterday, I was super-pleased with the jpg digital zoom crop. I don't have a raw of that to compare because I inadvertently changed the settings via a shortcut button (disabled that when I discovered what I'd done!).

Focal length 215 mm, 1/1000 sec, f/8 (I went with more dof later on in the morning), auto ISO (400).

#1 jpg sooc at 2x digital zoom
#2 jpg with some edits
#3 raw with same edits as #2, cropped to match the jpg (needs more tweaks that you can see the camera did on the jpg)
All re-sized to 1600 px wide.

Let me know your thoughts, please! I personally think the best choice is to shoot raw+jpg to keep all options open :)
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Post by minniev » Fri May 12, 2017 12:54 am

They all look pretty good. The second has more artifacts than the others, which isn't uncommon for a jpeg that's edited in post.Looks like the digital zoom did a good job. I use Olympus cameras and have not tried the digital zoom, but it might be worth a try.
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Post by Charles Haacker » Fri May 12, 2017 12:57 am

Impressive! I am shamelessly pixel-peeping; I have all 3 open in tabs and as big as they will go, with the bird on the right and centered horizontally so I can also see the tips of reeds. The first SOOC looks fine as it is. The second has had a reasonable amount of sharpening applied (not oversharpened). The 3rd, the cropped raw, has slightly more visible noise in the sky than either 1 or 2 but that's easily subdued. I would say, based on this evidence, that the digital zoom on a 4/3 camera works very well indeed, at least as well if not better than simply enlarging and cropping. It surprises me mainly because I have always used tiny-sensor cameras. I tried their digital zoom once or twice and then disabled it. Enlarging and cropping worked far better with those cameras. I don't know of course, but I'd been inclined to conclude that a larger sensor makes a profound difference.

Just on a personal note, I shot raw + jpeg for only a brief time before switching entirely to raw since all I was doing was deleting the jpegs anyway, but every worker works a different way. :)
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Post by LindaShorey » Fri May 12, 2017 12:25 pm

Thanks Minnie and Chuck. I think the results vary from image to image and the shooting conditions, mainly light and contrast, play a big part. I am going to continue raw+jpg to keep my options open :)

Chuck, I don't have Lightroom and my current version of PS Elements can not read the raw of either new camera. Windows 8 doesn't have a way to see a preview/imbedded jpg of the raw either, except with my former Canon T3i and (still have) sx50.

Thankfully I have Picasa (thankfully, as it's no longer available) which shows all! Also I very much like having a "real" jpg to look at so I can pick much more easily, from among several choices, the ones I want to develop from raw.

The work-around with Elements not supporting the raw from these M4/3 I bought: a free Adobe dng converted...suggested by a user on another forum. Sure, it's one more step but quick and I can do other stuff while it's running and for now, allows me to continue using the hardware and software I have :)
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Post by Charles Haacker » Fri May 12, 2017 12:51 pm

LindaShorey wrote:Thanks Minnie and Chuck. I think the results vary from image to image and the shooting conditions, mainly light and contrast, play a big part. I am going to continue raw+jpg to keep my options open :)

Chuck, I don't have Lightroom and my current version of PS Elements can not read the raw of either new camera. Windows 8 doesn't have a way to see a preview/imbedded jpg of the raw either, except with my former Canon T3i and (still have) sx50.

Thankfully I have Picasa (thankfully, as it's no longer available) which shows all! Also I very much like having a "real" jpg to look at so I can pick much more easily, from among several choices, the ones I want to develop from raw.

The work-around with Elements not supporting the raw from these M4/3 I bought: a free Adobe dng converted...suggested by a user on another forum. Sure, it's one more step but quick and I can do other stuff while it's running and for now, allows me to continue using the hardware and software I have :)

Linda, I think you are doing just fine. I started converting all raw to dng when I started shooting raw because at the time I had Elements 11 and it did not recognize the NRW files from my P7xxx series cameras. I tried the dng converter and all was well. Once I got the Sony and switched to Creative Cloud it made even more sense (to me) to convert everything on upload to dng and discard the original raws. Some folks may be horrified to hear that but for me it works, and I believe ya do what works for you! And that goes for raw + jpeg, too! :)
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Post by LindaShorey » Fri May 12, 2017 1:01 pm

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LindaShorey wrote:Thanks Minnie and Chuck. I think the results vary from image to image and the shooting conditions, mainly light and contrast, play a big part. I am going to continue raw+jpg to keep my options open :)

Chuck, I don't have Lightroom and my current version of PS Elements can not read the raw of either new camera. Windows 8 doesn't have a way to see a preview/imbedded jpg of the raw either, except with my former Canon T3i and (still have) sx50.

Thankfully I have Picasa (thankfully, as it's no longer available) which shows all! Also I very much like having a "real" jpg to look at so I can pick much more easily, from among several choices, the ones I want to develop from raw.

The work-around with Elements not supporting the raw from these M4/3 I bought: a free Adobe dng converted...suggested by a user on another forum. Sure, it's one more step but quick and I can do other stuff while it's running and for now, allows me to continue using the hardware and software I have :)

Linda, I think you are doing just fine. I started converting all raw to dng when I started shooting raw because at the time I had Elements 11 and it did not recognize the NRW files from my P7xxx series cameras. I tried the dng converter and all was well. Once I got the Sony and switched to Creative Cloud it made even more sense (to me) to convert everything on upload to dng and discard the original raws. Some folks may be horrified to hear that but for me it works, and I believe ya do what works for you! And that goes for raw + jpeg, too! :)


Often what becomes comfortable for ourselves makes no sense to someone else :) Thanks Chuck!
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Post by St3v3M » Sat May 13, 2017 8:38 am

Well now I have to sell my gear and get an Oly... S-
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Post by LindaShorey » Sat May 13, 2017 3:24 pm

St3v3M wrote:Well now I have to sell my gear and get an Oly... S-

LOL, a mere 28 months ago I made the "final" decision to stick with the Canon T3i, so I bought a second body an upgraded two lenses. You just never know where life will take you :)
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Post by St3v3M » Sat May 13, 2017 11:48 pm

LindaShorey wrote:
St3v3M wrote:Well now I have to sell my gear and get an Oly... S-

LOL, a mere 28 months ago I made the "final" decision to stick with the Canon T3i, so I bought a second body an upgraded two lenses. You just never know where life will take you :)

So I shouldn't keep repeating; A Better Camera Will Make Me A Better Photographer, A Better Camera Will Make Me A Better Photographer ...?
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