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Re: learning to see

Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2019 5:27 am
by Psjunkie
seems to me it is starting to jell....will patiently wait..

Re: learning to see

Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2019 12:06 pm
by minniev
Looks like she has got hold of some of those special acorns you have over there .

Tell us what part you’re unhappy with...

Re: learning to see

Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2019 2:55 pm
by PietFrancke
minniev wrote:
Sun Jan 06, 2019 12:06 pm
Looks like she has got hold of some of those special acorns you have over there .

Tell us what part you’re unhappy with...
thank you Frank and Min - those acorns went bust - I might need an acorn drawing class. In general I think she is way too harsh, I have to see and lay down more gradual gradations in tone.

Re: learning to see

Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2019 3:28 pm
by PietFrancke
So... I think the problem that I am having with splotchiness is that I have been using only two tones at a very low opacity. A white tone to make things brighter, and a black tone to make things darker. But as I work, things get too dark and too light. So I am thinking (not knowing), that perhaps if I had more than two tones that I am working with, perhaps I can make things be smoother. So I have created on the left a graduation of tones that I can lift from. Now I will have 15 or 20 tones to pull from (and I can set their brush opacity to a higher number)…

We will see if this helps - I will still have the problem of know what specific tone a given area should be... THAT is a SEEING problem..
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Re: learning to see

Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2019 6:11 pm
by Psjunkie
so I know nothing of what you're trying to do but a 50% grey layer set to soft light painting white or black to mellow the splotchiness to tedious?? many tones sounds more complicated.....

Re: learning to see

Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2019 11:17 pm
by PietFrancke
Psjunkie wrote:
Sun Jan 06, 2019 6:11 pm
so I know nothing of what you're trying to do but a 50% grey layer set to soft light painting white or black to mellow the splotchiness to tedious?? many tones sounds more complicated.....
thank you Frank - I tried some of what I said, and it helped some. I tried some of what You said - That helped too. And then I also tried using Silver Effex Pro (over-exposure), and that helped too! Here is where it is at now:
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Re: learning to see

Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2019 12:05 am
by Psjunkie
has certainly brightened it up..

Re: learning to see

Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2019 3:16 am
by PietFrancke
Psjunkie wrote:
Mon Jan 07, 2019 12:05 am
has certainly brightened it up..
I felt that for some reason the splotchiness was reduceds and that the image felt better. I really liked it like that - but you absolutely made me wonder.. So being curious I used the standard curve trick and threw some contrast back into it to make the darks darker. And the resulting image doesn't go splotchy on me - I think this looks pretty good too, and is more in line with Frazetta's painting.

Now the only thing missing is good art work!
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Re: learning to see

Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2019 3:51 am
by Psjunkie
good to here about the splotchiness......I think the increased contrast really made it better

Re: learning to see

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 5:00 am
by PietFrancke
Psjunkie wrote:
Mon Jan 07, 2019 3:51 am
good to here about the splotchiness......I think the increased contrast really made it better
yeah, I think that was my best cut so far...

Now I am starting to add color, and Suddenly I can see so many problems that I want to scream. Perhaps I can now see/and fix my value issues and then wipe the color back out...
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